The election went basically how I expected it to -- that is, Bush wins, by a substantial margin (I actually expected him to win by significantly more than he did; I was surprised by how close the election was), and most everyone I know expresses shock and bafflement that anyone supports Bush.
Most of the people expressing this shock and bafflement fall into one of two categories: a.) liberals, or b.) Europeans. Thus, this answer is aimed primarily at them. Particulary, I was inspired by a post by a European friend here.
Now, I don't support Bush (I certainly didn't vote for him), but as a Libertarian, I'm pretty well removed from the traditional left-right political spectrum (as I despise both major American parties equally, for different reasons), and thus I don't have the blinders that most of the Republican and Democratic partisans seem to have -- that is, I can see good and bad things about both candidates. And from what I see, I honestly am not at all surprised Bush won substantially -- and why he won is not necessarily why the Democrats think he won. Keep in mind I'm essentially playing Devil's Advocate here -- I'm not a Bush supporter, but I understand why people are. I'm reminded of a quotation I saw on LJ recently -- "The thing I hate most about the Left is that they cause me to defend Bush."
First of all, the election centered on the security issue. I don't think I'd go so far as to say America is the most hated country in the world now, at least among those actually motivated to do violence (i.e. from a purely security perspective, France or Germany hating the U.S. is nigh meaningless -- France and Germany are not going to attack us.) Generally, the violent insurgent populations have someone local they hate a lot more. This is why I'm generally for noninterventionalism -- if the U.S. weren't so militarily and politically involved in the Middle East, Osama bin Laden would be way too busy blowing up Saudi royals to be blowing up Americans. However, it's undeniable that Bush has significantly harmed the U.S. image abroad; reading any foreign newspaper proves that definitively (I like to read the London Times to get the overseas perspective on U.S. events; they're just as biased as U.S. papers, but they're biased in a different way. I go with a British paper over a French or German one simply because I can't read French or German, and I go with the London Times because it's one of the only two British papers I've heard of, and the Guardian annoys the snot out of me.) However, all of this is not really what makes people vote for Bush. The simple reason is that Bush is much more in line with how Americans think than Kerry is -- and I don't mean that as a judgement on how Americans think, merely an observation on how similar the candidates are to the populace.
Kerry comes across as a simplistic intellectual -- someone with a lot of formal education but a lack of common sense or "street smarts." He thinks that if he had gone to the U.N. about weapons inspections in Iraq again, France and Germany would have happily helped us out in Iraq. The problem is that this isn't really believable -- there were 17 other U.N. resolutions Saddam was violating, so an 18th would not have convinced him of anything. Nor would his violation of it convinced the U.N. of anything -- if the U.N. didn't care about Saddam violating the other 17, why would they intervene when he violates one more? In addition, France had significant financial interests in Iraq -- and France is just as capable of acting out of an interest in cheap oil as America is. For this particular issue, the fact that the motivation for the inspections turned out to be wrong (Saddam had no "weapons of mass destruction," which is itself a somewhat ludicrous term) isn't relevant -- the problem is that Kerry's solution is "more talk" when most Americans simply don't believe more talk would have accomplished anything. Sure, it might have made foreign nations happier with America -- but the decision would have eventually come down to one of two things: either we invade Iraq unilaterally, thus pissing off the rest of the world in precisely the way Bush did, or we don't, thus proving that the U.N. is both ineffective and dominant over us. If we'd gone with the latter, it would be yielding national sovereignty -- letting world opinion tell us what to do.
And there, I think, is what Europeans have a hard time understanding about Americans. American culture, though based on the European, is different in a fundamental way -- the entire foundation of our culture is based on a rebellion against Europe over fundamental issues. The rest of the world takes for granted certain ideas (like that the power of the state or the will of the majority takes precedence over individual rights) that are at least debatable here. As a result, Americans are extremely reluctant to have any other nation exercise any authority over us; after all, last time they did that, we had to fight a War of Revolution. When Kerry campaigns on a platform of U.N. obedience, that does not appeal to a lot of Americans. And it doesn't matter if the U.N. is right and we were wrong about the specific facts in this case -- what matters is that we did what we thought was right and not what the U.N. thought was right. We can accept that we were wrong this time, but we can't accept that we're wrong in general, and Americans fear that that's what Kerry would lead us to. We can accept that this time we should have gone with world opinion, but we will not accept a candidate that tells us we always should.
There's more to this, too -- American attitudes about self-defense enter into this. I think the best example of differing attitudes between America and Europe on this is the Tony Martin case in England. This was a case where two burglars (one with 62 prior convictions) broke into a man's house, and the homeowner shot them, one of them fatally. It was in a small town with no police force, and it was the second time the man's house had been burglarized in three months. Richard Dawkins, a brilliant British evolutionary biologist whom I very much respect, said of Bush's attack on Saddam that it was "the Tony Martin school of foreign policy. It's not how civilised countries, who follow the rule of law, behave." This makes it quite obvious that Dawkins thinks Martin's behavior was wrong, and that he takes for granted that everyone agrees with him -- that it was "uncivilized."
This is radically at odds with the American point of view. The right to defend yourself from attack is the most fundamental right of all; to claim that defending yourself or your home from an attack is unethical is seen by the vast majority of Americans as insane. More than that, it is an atrocity -- to deny a person the right to defend themselves is on about the same moral level as rape. Quite simply, if you do not have the right to defend yourself, you are not a person, you are property, and a government or people who claim that being "civilized" requires debasing people to this level proves, prima facie, that they are not civilized at all but rather barbarians of the first order. The mere idea that anyone could think a person should be imprisoned for defending himself from a criminal invading his home is revolting. We have more than the right to defend ourselves, we have the moral obligation to do so, and to rely on someone else to do it for us (the police in the case of Tony Martin, or the U.N. in the case of the Iraq invasion) is an abrogation of responsibility; it is an act of rank cowardice.
Now, for those of you for whom that attitude is utterly alien, consider for a moment... for a population that holds that opinion, is it any surprise that Kerry's "more talk, less action" plan didn't go over extremely well? Even those Americans who are isolationist, and want us to have no involvement in the Middle East whatsoever, tend to add the proviso, "Well, after Osama bin Laden and all his cronies are dead." This is not just for revenge -- it is the obligation of self-defense.
Of course, whether the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with retaliation against Al-Qaeda or Osama bin Laden is another story entirely. Kerry wasn't campaigning on the "We shouldn't have gone to war with Iraq" platform. He went beyond that, into "we should consult with the U.N. in our foreign policy decisions, and do that which is acceptable to the rest of the world." In time of war, this we cannot do. In wartime, we cannot subordinate our interests to the will of nations that think you should lock up a man who defends his home. To do so is not just suicidal, but honorless.
My point is that while I didn't want Bush to be re-elected, I also don't think the reason that he was re-elected is that Americans are stupid, or that we're being manipulated, or that we're misinformed, or that we're reckless hicks with no civilization and no culture. I think that Bush was re-elected precisely because of our culture, a culture with a code of behavior shaped by our history. What's more, it's a culture that persists despite government attempts to eradicate it -- the view of American history you get out of modern public school textbooks is quite different from the view you get if you pick up the original sources and read what the people living during the Revolutionary period were saying and thinking.
Kerry was an awful candidate. With all the vitriol against Bush, this was a golden opportunity for the Democratic party; the election was theirs to lose. Had they chosen Howard Dean or even John Edwards as their candidate, they probably would have won the election. Instead, they chose the second-worst candidate in the field (only Kucinich was less electable) -- the Senator with the most liberal voting record in Congress. This is a common problem with the primary system -- an election open only to partisans tends to appoint extremists as their candidate, so when the general election comes, the least viable candidate has been chosen. Kerry was oblivious to the fact that the attitudes he was espousing were at odds with the American political mainstream -- almost no one was strongly pro-Kerry; the vast majority of his supporters were merely voting against Bush. As a result, we get stuck with Bush again. This is one of the many reasons I hate the two-party system.
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November 3 2004, 11:33:04 UTC 7 years ago
You always make so much SENSE!!! It boggles!
*hugs* :)
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November 3 2004, 13:02:41 UTC 7 years ago
Generally a well-thought out post, but I would say that this claim is defintely FUD. He is hardly the most liberal Senator in Congress...
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November 3 2004, 13:38:27 UTC 7 years ago
Wow
I found you through the libertarianism group. Could I link to this post? It is incredible.ivy
November 3 2004, 14:02:13 UTC 7 years ago
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I get found through theNovember 3 2004, 13:47:46 UTC 7 years ago
For this particular issue, the fact that the motivation for the inspections turned out to be wrong (Saddam had no "weapons of mass destruction," which is itself a somewhat ludicrous term) isn't relevant -- the problem is that Kerry's solution is "more talk" when most Americans simply don't believe more talk would have accomplished anything. Sure, it might have made foreign nations happier with America -- but the decision would have eventually come down to one of two things: either we invade Iraq unilaterally, thus pissing off the rest of the world in precisely the way Bush did, or we don't, thus proving that the U.N. is both ineffective and dominant over us.
This ignores the fact that, having stayed a democratic route, it may have been very likely that the fact that saddam *didn't* have any WMD or WMD programs would have come out of the inspections. Therefore showing that they *weren't* in violation, and that a war *wasn't* necessary.
If the inspectors came back and said saddam was still violating, and we took *that* and then staged a unilateral war, it would have made a bunch of people at home more happy, as well.
Finally, framing it as "if we didn't go to war, we are pandering to the UN" makes me wonder why there was any need for the other side to justify the war at all (ie, WMD, ties to al-qaeda, whatnot).
This is radically at odds with the American point of view. The right to defend yourself from attack is the most fundamental right of all; to claim that defending yourself or your home from an attack is unethical is seen by the vast majority of Americans as insane.
But what of the fact that iraq wasn't attacking us, and didn't have the means to attack us?
This is radically at odds with the American point of view. The right to defend yourself from attack is the most fundamental right of all; to claim that defending yourself or your home from an attack is unethical is seen by the vast majority of Americans as insane.
this analysis misses the fact that kerry stated *repeatedly* -- that in issues of national security, and self defense, he *completely* had no problem with the US doing what it needed to, fuck international opinion.
It is only in matters of policing the world that he felt that our actions should reasonably pass some sort of "global test" of legitimacy.
But the bush campaign hyped this up, telling people that kerry would give the UN a "veto over our self defense." People ate it up. They believed it, because they have a hard time fathoming the middle-ground. It's either all-us or all-them to many of these people. This is a fact of people's thinking that you left out of your essay.
also don't think the reason that he was re-elected is that Americans are stupid, or that we're being manipulated, or that we're misinformed,
What about the fact that bush supporters, more often than kerry supporters, got simple facts about the situation in iraq wrong?
And it wasn't all about foreign policy. Don't forget gay marriage, abortion, and "OMG kerry's health care plan will mean the government controls your doctor!"
I agree that a big part of it is this "go it alone" ideal that america seems to cultivate. But I believe ignorance, misinformation, and irrationality had a big part of it as well.
Well of course, though. I was a Kerry supporter :P
November 3 2004, 15:23:29 UTC 7 years ago
Wouldn't have mattered. First of all, you can't prove a negative ("The inspections didn't find any WMD? Well, I guess it means Saddam hid them really well!") And second, he'd already violated 17 other U.N. resolutions; if not for WMD, we'd have found another reason to attack.
But what of the fact that iraq wasn't attacking us, and didn't have the means to attack us?
Not the point. I'm not saying most Americans voted for Bush because they liked the War in Iraq or thought it was a good idea. All in all, the War in Iraq is pretty unpopular, and won Kerry a lot of votes. I'm saying that most Americans were not willing to vote for a candidate who supported doing what the U.N. says as a general principle, even if they thought Bush really screwed up in this particular instance.
But the bush campaign hyped this up, telling people that kerry would give the UN a "veto over our self defense."
Yeah, and it worked really well. Note how Bush won. :)
And it wasn't all about foreign policy. Don't forget gay marriage, abortion, and "OMG kerry's health care plan will mean the government controls your doctor!"
True. But foreign policy and national security was the big issue this election. If it weren't for that issue, Bush would have lost handily. Sure, the religious conservatism inspired his base voters, but the kind of people who want to ban abortion and have constitutional amendments against gay marriage always vote Republican. To win this election, Bush had to be able to win centrists -- and he won those on the security issue.
As for Kerry's health plan, that's the issue that caused me to find Kerry categorically unacceptable and be unwilling to vote for him for any reason. Of course, Bush was certainly no better, hence my Libertarian vote.
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-Ogre
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Mind if I add you?
November 3 2004, 14:12:43 UTC 7 years ago
If most people believe this, I have no idea why they'd vote for Bush. While he did launch a preepmtive war (which amounted to defending America against the possibility of an attack that appeared less and less probable as time went on), and is pro-gun ownership (as long as you're a law abiding citizen), the Patriot Act was also instated under his administration. I see this act as a direct attack on my rights as an American citizen. Under it, I feel much more vulnerable to attack by the very people who are supposed to be protecting me. Of course, if I tried to fight it, I might be labeled unpatriotic, which, nowadays, is tantamount to terrorism.
November 3 2004, 14:49:47 UTC 7 years ago
Politicians are in office specifically because they believe they can make a difference. They believe that the more power they have, the more of a difference they can make, and that their desired outcomes will be the outcomes we receive. I believe any president would have made a major push for more government power, at the cost of civil liberties, in the wake of 9/11. And the fact that this was not a partisan issue should be pretty clear given the fact that only one member of Congress voted against it, even though no one had actually read the bill yet.
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November 3 2004, 14:32:30 UTC 7 years ago
thx,
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November 3 2004, 14:56:45 UTC 7 years ago
I'm a supporter for the I-Want-Something-Different party. Nowhere in the Constitution does it state that one has to be an over-the-hill, affluent, white male in order to become President.
In case you're interested, I found your LJ account through a link from a friend of mine, </a></b></a>
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This is one of the serious challenges that I think neither Bush nor Kerry could face. How do you admit to the American people, who desperately want to be safe and ignore anything outside of their locality, that in truth we have never been safe and the illusion of security (TSA for example) is simply a show to try and deter acts against or provide an evidence trail for conviction after the fact.
The intelligence community is particularly troubled by this - look at the FBI mission changes for an indication - because we are a nation whose police work and investigative expertise is based on gathering evidence after a crime and convicting a criminal. Historically we have not developed the capability to prevent crimes, particularly those involving single instances committed by small cells of individuals.
If you listen to Dr. David Kay (former Iraq Weapons Inspector and someone with significant amounts of experience within the Middle East) then you hear talk about how in fact even our rhetoric of containment (nuclear, biological, chemical) is fundamentally flawed. He argues that a nation which was barely able to fund programs to know where Soviet missiles were placed (and nearly didn't catch the Cuban deployment of Soviet missiles) cannot possibly afford the surviellance and intelligence necessary to track every possible person and every possible piece of nuclear material. Never mind the ramifications on civil liberties and international law. Dr. Kay points out the builders of weapons programs in the Middle East and Asia were educated by U.S., U.K., and Euorpean schools and the knowledge and capability is out there beyond our ability to call it back.
But unfortunately we are no longer revolutionaries. We are no longer a people who fight for our destiny. People seem to want Kerry to save them or Bush to protect them - and while they want the right to defend themselves, they neither learn how nor equip themselves to do so in most cases.
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You are saying that compliance with international law is a violation of a country's sovereignty. Are you saying this only to explain the general public's attitude or are you actually agreeing with this?
In any case, if Americans really think that they have the right to bomb any country they might like to, then it's hard to see how they are not "reckless hicks".
November 3 2004, 21:49:22 UTC 7 years ago
However, when a country does agree to a treaty, it should reasonably be expected to follow it. Partially out of honor and honesty, but also simple pragmatism -- if a country breaks treaties it is party to, then it essentially ruins its international reputation. Why would anyone treat with a country known to abrogate treaties when they become inconvenient?
This said, a nation should be careful what treaties it signs. Specifically, signing a treaty giving another legislative body power over the nation's citizenry is a betrayal of their trust -- after all, it is a nation's elected representatives granting power, in a permanent and irrevocable way, to unelected foreign authorities. This is why Americans, in general, don't trust the U.N.
I'm not saying that Americans think they "have a right to bomb any country they might like to." I'm only saying that Americans are never going to elect a candidate who says that American elected officials need to let an unelected foreign authority tell them what they can and cannot do. If America agrees to a treaty (e.g. the Geneva Conventions), then they should follow it; I don't think you'll find many Americans who support breaking treaties. But there's a difference between keeping your word and being unwilling to do the right thing unless it's popular.
I don't think the U.S. should have invaded Iraq. But I don't think that the underlying attitude -- that "world opinion" should not take precedence over doing what you believe to be right -- is wrong.
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